Technical Board Meeting

That solution is excellent, Nautilus looks more Unity.

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I hope to build an updated .ISO after TB with some of these changes.

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Hi All,

Technical Board did not immediately approve our request for official flavor. There was a group of questions that came just while the meeting was starting where we did not have time to prepare answers for. The questions had nothing to do with the recent preparations we have been involved with but I can understand their concerns. Also a lot of people didn’t show up. I guess that this could only be due to my lack of connecting with the team.

It is true that a lot of people want unity to go to sleep and die but I think the board is expressing their thoughts as best they can:
“slangasek my gut reaction is similar to yours that unity7 should just be allowed to die peacefully instead of being made a flavor; but I’m not sure with TB hat on it’s in order for me to argue that”
https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/11/21/%23ubuntu-meeting-2.html#t20:06

…to the effect that their has to be some sort of responsible maintenance for upstream packages and bug fixing and it is their argument that the required skill-set and manpower is just not there.

We will keep trying.

Regards…

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Worth linking to this weeks TB meeting log too I think.

https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/12/05/%23ubuntu-meeting-2.html#t20:00

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@popey

Yes. Much appreciated. In retrospect , there was a lot accomplished.

Regards…

After reading the entire transcript from the Technical Board Meeting (and also reading the questions asked in the message sent just before the meeting started), the following statement made by @stgraber at 20:36 seems particularly revealing:

I sense that the Ubuntu Unity team likely won’t have sufficient time to obtain official flavor status for an 18.04 release.

If the Ubuntu Unity team agrees that obtaining official flavor status for an 18.04 release is unlikely, then, rather than chase after what is unlikely, perhaps time would be better spent if the team were to change its focus to releasing an “Ubuntu Unity Remix” (preferably under an appropriate license to use the “Unity” name, if needed) for 18.04. The team could try again for official flavor status in a later release, once the team has proven itself.

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It helps to have a tea (or two or three) and then to re-read.

Upon my re-read, the Technical Board seems quite open to Unity as a flavor, after a few more key metrics are in place that show the scope of the project (package list), resources available (committed uploaders with reputation), and that the leadership has some kind of coverage plan so B meets A.

Seems like solid advice.

It also shows just how far your team has come already!

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That is a speculation that I cannot answer and borders on the hypothetical. jbicha did send a list to us a week prior to the meeting and we had assumed incorrectly that the items he mentioned would be the issues discussed at the meeting just recent past and Khurshid was prepared to asnwer to those issues. Unity/NotDefaultIssues - Ubuntu Wiki Some people did not make it to the meeting, probably because of time zone or other personal reasons

This will be up to Khurshid to determine this direction as he is current team leader. He has painstakingly built a lot of infrastructure that was presentable enough a platform to go forward and propose that the team could handle official flavor status. In the interim I will be working on recruiting the few missing pieces that the TB is requiring and hope to answer their shortlist as expediently as possible. If the TB , in their good conscience cannot vote us forward sometime in January then perhaps a remix may be the only way to go for the team. So that will be a remix image built on Canonical servers.

This may also be the case. So the team may have to apply for an additional license through legal. I will continue to build Remixes as my license permits me to do so but in a more limited fashion as I only have a certain amount of space to use and a bandwidth requirement to fit into my own budget as I too , like the TB, am only a volunteer offering a service and my license does not permit me to grant proxy licenses to individuals.

Regards…

Thanks Ian,

Yes … goal of the team is greater than anyone person. I think the core of the team is on the same page but it certainly is an emotionally charged issue. As it stands now, team lead, K_alam, has built a solid infrastructure whilst I am trying to recruit a few more key components in the form of developer manpower hours. It was a little disconcerting that the TB did not want to hear about my past 7 year commitment to ubuntuforums, the Development Version Testing, taking care of team maintenance and keeping the wiki updated, pretty well single handedly so their attitude towards it all seemed very much, initially, like a slight, however , in my experience, I know that only cordiality , apologetics and red rose tea will win the day :slight_smile: Upon my review I have seen that it went quite well and was a very professional conducted slice of work.

Gizmo-chicken , of course, has made some good points but most observers are not really able to appreciate the down_time that the participants are subjected to, especially when they are volunteering their quality time. I am confident that @tsimonq2 and @khurshid-alam will pull these prerequisite package lists together to start getting image builds on the servers.

Regards…

I have no doubt that you and your team can pull this together. But even so, my instincts still tell me that the Technical Board will want to see a longer track record before granting official “flavor” status.

To reiterate what @ian-weisser wrote:

If I recall correctly: MATE Remix preceded Ubuntu MATE; GNOME Remix preceded Ubuntu GNOME; and Budgie Remix preceded Ubuntu Budgie. So if Ubuntu Unity must first exist for a short time as Unity Remix (until a few more key metrics are in place), consider yourself in good company.

Many (including me!) are eager to continue using Unity (whether an official flavor or a remix) and wish you and your team success.

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Yes… I do.

We had done our level best to expedite the process and fell short on some launchpad mechanics, and thank you for your vote of confidence.

Well, forget about the questions I asked here, https://community.ubuntu.com/t/new-ubuntu-unity-iso/2146/55. I read through the transcript. I understand the advice too. The question is not how/whether we can make a remix, but if we can maintain Unity 7 packages, especially Compiz. No one is there at Cannonical, who is doing any work on Unity 7 now. (It was paid job earlier.) Compiz creators had left a long time ago. I can’t code, so of no help here. If you, Khurshid can get some people (enthusiasts), who knows coding well to look after the Unity 7 packages, then it might live.

Look at TB log. I offered a 4 hour spread a day, 5 days a week (all for free). I asked for some extra tutoring with launchpad so I can ping through all the mouse-traps. Nobody is lining up bright eyed and bushy tailed to start hacking compiz code :sunglasses: but we are working on the wiki for now. It is Holy month of Advent Maybe in mid January we may have a better idea of how to go forward with the unity stack and more manpower. There is going to be a lot of off loading resources onto gnome3 stack … so be ready for anything.

Regards…

I read it. I know you offered 4 hrs, 5 days. You know coding, even if you don’t know C++ or whatever. It is not a paid job any more to maintain Unity 7, so not much help. (If most would start installing vanilla-gnome, it’d be the same later with the present default. I wouldn’t use dash2dock in whatever name at all.) Why not have a chat with mc4man? He is not here, I believe.

already asked him. asked hannibal too.

I can read and understand that code. I took Turing programming language (compiler) long ago on Vax UNIX and ASICC and BASIC.

regards…

I think you should make your own website.

@chanath

I did , actually .

Like this, http://www.enso-os.site/ Its interesting why people still want to make distros based on Xfce4 and Ubuntu base, when Xubuntu is there…

And, Unity 7 is not there…

Or one like this, https://externos.io/

@chanath

I built this site. The ones you cite are paid weebly sites.

All original photography are created by your’s truly.

http://premiereclasse.weebly.com/

I like the wiki sites because they are straight forward. People will float on the more ambiance enhanced sites. It’s a preference thing.

hey … now we are way off topic …!