Call for participation: an ubuntu default theme lead by the community?

Well you explicitly press logout to logout/shutdown/restart, why should it not interrupt you? O.o

Edit: or maybe @luxamman could jump in once more and share his opinion as well =)

Hey there^^

After investigating a little bit (like Columbo), I’m also with the opinion, to separate the dialogs and notifications/shell popups into light and dark. Even if I also need to get used to the light dialogs in some situations…

The dialogs (like when try to close LibreWriter without saving @jaggers ) should be the same everywhere - even if we can’t have headerbar’s - it is more like a “call to action” and that way it is more consistent.

Popups and notifications look good in dark and are (IMHO) closer to the system/gnome and the dark touch we give the whole system (which is still brave for a widely used system). When choosing the light version, everything should be white. But I like the mockup from @frederik-f with the dark popups (only the right click menu on the apps is simply exaggerated high per entry, which is a Gnome thing - for touchscreens??).

Also the dark popups need some adjustment, but I will get back to that when we choose to use the dark (side). And yes I know, Windows is also handling that the same way. But we look better.

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Uhhhh, a hot topic :sun_with_face:

Let me start of by saying that I love the current white dialogs :smile:

We styled the app dialogs to look like something that belongs to the GTK application - this was a personal achilles heel. I felt like there was a lot of resistance against this design decision (maybe there still is?), but I really think the current design ties the dialog and the application together nicely having tried it in the real for some time.
The original application dialogs looked good too, much similar to the shell dialogs now, they just looked, as you say, ailien :alien: coming from an application.

Here’s a quote from the discussion:

…even if it’s a good idea to distinguish app dialogs vs. system dialogs, :man_shrugging: there are many more coherent ways to do it than changing the shape and size and layout and colour of the buttons all at once! Having a difference in all those things at once is likely to make users think that they were designed by different people who weren’t communicating.

This battle (I’m using the word in the most friend possible way) I lost, and I’m okay with that. As much as I would like to see them (app and shell dialogs) styles more alike, the current shell design look really good, so if they have to be different, this looks good.

The top bars would give the impression that this is coming from an application and not the shell. @didrocks mentioned here that a distinction is wanted.
Changing the roundness and button style would be another way to make them look more similar, but it looks like something is missing: (or maybe I’ve just gotten used to the current design)

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Lol @madsrh … Good to see I didn’t change my mind since that poll …! :smile:

I voted #5 and @frederik-f did the same then :wink:
I lost that battle as well…

So many good arguments! Should we make a public poll again? :smile:
I actually do not care that much since everything could work and the super good work of @godlyranchdressing enabled us to switch from dark to light with just one line of code per class. :bowing_man:

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Okay here is the public poll:

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After all I said before, I voted for what I think is the status quo, I think it can be justified by saying that the white is more attention-grabbing and dialogues and notifications should be that way?

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Hi @ads20000! Oh noes. Then you’ve voted to the wrong. Current master is: everything light except the popups :frowning: I hope you can correct your vote to the one you would like to vote :slight_smile: You’ve voted for dark popups/osd/switchers + light dialogues/notifications

Ah my bad.

You might want to do screenshots of everything in both their white and black forms? I wonder if there’s some bias that arises from doing the way you’ve done it at the moment…

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I was worried about this, too :frowning: I will try to this evening

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Cheers, and then maybe reset the vote and tag people who voted before and ask them to vote again? Just to ensure that people look over it again… :slight_smile:

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Just checked: you can correct your vote until the pull is closed
EDIT: updated with light and dark screenshots

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I think it will look better with light App switcher when you have applications with dark windows like Steam and Kodi.

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Yay, BOB, the big orange blob, is back :confused:

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Are you talking about the sidebar row? :slight_smile:

I stand by my initial vote for now (not the status quo), dialogues and notifications can be justified to be more attention-grabbing by being white…though maybe notifications should be slightly less obtrusive and should be dark… also I worry I’m in the wrong now but not going for all dark, especially given @d0od who’s a real stickler (meant positively, not pejoratively) for design voted for all dark! Obviously the poll is not final so I hope that the team led by the Didier-the-nominal-bdfl will come to the right decision, whatever that is. All dark would be the most consistent/coherent (if you prefer the word coherent I could just use that from now on :stuck_out_tongue:) and the most in line with upstream…

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We’re dangerously shifting toward “He-who-must-not-be-named” style :smiley:

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/me shudders (and you should too :p)

More seriously, when thinking about it, the OSD is a kind of notification (confirming one of your action: plug/unplug earplugs, volume/brightness up/down). Shouldn’t it follow the same pattern than notifications in general? (and thus, we are back to the “white on white applications” issues…

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Of who are you guys talking about? Voldemort? :expressionless:

Anyways, some DEs even merge the look and placement of notifications and volume OSD, like unity8 and elementary so you are right. However I fear this is not possible with gnome without extensions and it would be against upstream?

Let’s implement the poll’s winner first (will wait one more week) :slight_smile: in the end (18.10) we can still decide differently :slight_smile:

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It seems to happen only when you change your session, right? After you have settled on a session, everytime you start up your PC, the problem doesn’t arrise. Am I right?

A quick fix is to go back to the different accounts (by pressing ‘back’) after it warns for a wrong password for the first time.

Retrying to enter a password for the second time yields the blank screen. By going back one step in the login screen, you can avoid this. Do notice you have to select the session again, it defaults back to the session you had selected before.